Anu Vittal

Hi, welcome to Happy Cafe. We have a very special guest all the way from Penang, Malaysia. Her name is Sabrina Sunderraj. Hey, Sabrina, thank you. So good to see you.

 

Sabrina

It was so good to see you, too. Yes. Lovely to see you.

 

Anu Vittal

Well, you’re such a beautiful soul. Your journey is so impressive. You’re an anthropologist, Reiki master healer, an NLP practitioner. You’ve lived and worked in so many different countries, the Middle East, UK, India. And I mean, the stories that you have to tell are so inspiring. And today we hope that you will touch the hearts of millions of people and show us an insight into how we can find happiness in the small moments of our life as much as we go through our difficulties and challenges, especially in this new normal.

 

Anu Vittal

We are so excited to hear from you. And so tell us a little bit about your amazing journey into this story of helping people.

 

Sabrina

I’ve I think I’ve always liked helping people, and it’s probably because I’ve seen my parents doing that. You know, they used to do a lot at the Rotary Club in our small town in India, southern India called Kumbakonam. And I used to go around with them when they would go to visit different schools. So we would go together. And so I think a lot of that has come from wanting to help people from that experience with my family. And later in life, we we experienced a lot of issues in our own family with health and things like that.

 

Sabrina

So you have to rise up. You have to stand up and help out. So that’s the reason why I think I love to help. And that helping nature came from watching what’s going on with my family and with people around me. So that’s that’s part of it. And I think, you know, school where we met the school would also encourage us to do a lot of social work. So in India, the social work aspect was quite strong and that that carried me through.

 

Sabrina

And I always wanted to do something that would take me towards people I. I love tribes’. My introduction to Chinese would be when I was small, when we lived on these states in s.m, my dad was in Taffet. So it’s a tractor company. So that’s how I think. I love being among the tribes. And of course, you know, in school we have all these library books that introduced us to adventures like King Solomon’s mines and things like that.

 

Sabrina

And so I had this dream of being an adventurous living everywhere, going everywhere. So that’s how I developed my interest in anthropology. So when I was taken to the school principal for doing so badly in mathematics, I just told her I don’t need maths for an anthropologist. She’s like, what? That’s how I and I really planned my way towards anthropology. So when I got my my scholarship to study in UK at the School of Oriental and African Studies, it was it was a dream come true.

 

Sabrina

Yeah.

 

Anu Vittal

You often talk about, you know, you and thank you for sharing. You often talk about a life unexamined is not worth living, which is a famous quote by Socrates. So tell me a little bit more about that quote. And I know that you’ve had a very difficult melters journey, very exciting to UNICEF, the World Bank. So I’m really curious to know, what were some of those points or stories in this journey that kind of made you move away from country towards the kind of work that you’re doing now?

 

Sabrina

OK, with anthropology I got when I came back from UK and I started working with UNICEF through my professor at the University of Madras, we had a project in an area called Indigo and it was about maternal anaemia. What was striking to me is that we were busy taking blood samples. It was a multi a. The new project, and nobody said no, you know, everyone agreed to take the blood to give their blood samples to figure out whether the mothers are healthy or not, and because 70 percent of mothers lose their life at birth while giving birth because of their low, low blood blood counts, they’re anemic.

 

Sabrina

Levels are very low. So this was a huge problem. And that’s why we anthropologists were sent in to study what were the cultural things that were happening? What’s the actual food like? You know, you could say you are eating healthy, but when you look at what they are actually eating is not, you know. So we did a lot of focus group discussions and it led to a lot of arguments with the UNICEF official person because for her it was a set of things that need to be ticked off.

 

Sabrina

For us, it was it’s not a set of things. It’s a set of people who have many different things that are coming through, you see, so you can’t tick off things. And that was a huge argument because people are imposing their index, they their view of how people should be and ought to respond in a certain way. But people don’t. People are. You know, we are we are human beings who speak our mind in different ways.

 

Sabrina

I may have a certain point, but you may have a different point and have you have a different perspective of the same thing. So you may go in saying to people, oh, your you have to eat better, you have to choose better. But their lifestyle is not the same as yours. What they choose will be based on what they can afford, where they live and also their cultural situations. You know, they would say eating a certain kind of the most famous right now is meeting the needs.

 

Sabrina

At that time,  moringga leaves were not considered anything much. When I did it, when I was doing. So for them, it was a very different thing. My husband doesn’t like to eat moringga leaves  why are you asking me to eat moringga leaves. So simple things when you make a different to to the to the. And you need to be aware when you do work community, you need to be aware that they have their own perspective and you need to listen to them first, not your version

 

Sabrina

coming first. So that was my first experience with, you know, it was a dream to work in the UN for me. And that was my first experience. And I realized they’re coming with some other agenda. You can win awards for Wenda, but when you go to people to actually meet the communities, it’s a different thing. And this happening to me, I kept experiencing this with World Bank. I quit in one month because I just felt they were their agenda was completely something else, not to help people.

 

Sabrina

It’s to find out how much money they can in here, put in there and discover what private hospitals they can squeeze money from and what government hospitals they can squeeze money from. It was more like that. And over time I began to see the agenda going into this kind of quality and I lost interest. You know, I was like, OK, this I have to work from community level, not from top down, but bottom up.

 

Anu Vittal

Really, your soul is not in it.

 

Sabrina

Yeah, it was not I was not able to align with it. It was a dream for me to be there. But then when you realize what really is going on, you you kind of lose that, that feeling. Because for me it’s about people. You need to be honest with yourself. If you’re not honest inside of you, something is not clear there, there’s some kind of a dissonance going on, then you really need to work yourself out of it.

 

Sabrina

And it was a big disappointment for me. It was a heartbreak, to be honest. It was a happy one.

 

Anu Vittal

What was that one thing? When you say heartbreak, what was that one thing that really struck a chord or your aha moment when you said this is that I cannot do this work anymore, I need to change or I need to do something else to heal the world, which is what you’re doing.

 

Sabrina

Yes. My Aha moment was when I was with the tribes and I felt so one with them. One with nature and I felt I can’t take all these studies that I’m doing and impose it on them. That’s not fair. I need to find a way to protect this way of living and not think of assimilating them into what the government wants, into what other agencies want. You know, I need to respect them. I need others also to think in terms of respecting them, you know, to have a view where you need to feel rich with diversity.

 

Sabrina

Diversity doesn’t mean you need to feel something lower, something less or they are lower and you are more. No, it’s not about that. It’s about being able to respect everybody’s perspective except for something that would probably harm others. Yes, you have to be able to uplift each other, bring each other together to be happy with each other’s progress, not pull down somebody and push up yourself for the sake of a few days of living well. No, you know, that’s something I learned from the tribes.

 

Sabrina

And I loved them because my favorite part was when when I would ask, is this your child or is this your child? And they say they all are my children. And so as when I got married, I treated all my nieces and nephews as my own. I know that is so.

 

Anu Vittal

That is so beautiful.

 

Sabrina

Yeah. So when I see other children, I treat them as my own because that is the beauty of being in this universe as one people. We are all one. We come from one source. Right. So how can you talk to God.

 

Anu Vittal

That is such a beautiful thing.

 

Sabrina

It’s so important. That is so important, you know.

 

Anu Vittal

So it’s interesting you say this because I don’t have kids of my own, as you know. And I often find that especially on Mother’s Day or when everyone’s wishing everyone and I wish everyone, including men, why not even a man can be a mom figure, a mother, a nurturer to his kids. And I find that people I’ve had experiences where people come up to me, they’ll be wishing everyone.

 

Anu Vittal

And when they come to me, they’ll stop it. Oh, you’re not a mother. And the fact is that I could have been if I wanted to be a mother, but I was also being a mother and it did not happen. And I, like you said, I always see all the world’s children are my children. And it’s such a satisfying thing. And you are a mother of two beautiful girls. They call you the Jedi mom star.

 

Anu Vittal

I want to hear why, but I also know that you as a mom have done some amazing things for breast feeding awareness in Malaysia and probably in other countries. Tell us more about that.

 

Sabrina

This movement of mine happened because of not just me, it’s a group of mothers couldn’t have happened with just me. A group of us came together with the help of a doctor who was also passionate about breastfeeding rights. This came about when I started to work with somebody for an organization called World Alliance for Breastfeeding Action. Once again, I prefer to be not in an organization. I feel the real work is when people decide “I want this for my community” or “I want this for me” or “I want this”, then the desire is there to do something and you can achieve anything when that happens.

 

Sabrina

So there were a group of mothers with like minded mothers and we decided to also think about other mothers in our state. And we were part of this amazing group of moms, actually. We worked very hard to come up with the plan to present to the state government of Penang, and we said we want to make this thing the first breastfeeding friendly state in Malaysia. We want you to have the room, because here it’s a Muslim community and they are a little shy to breastfeed in public.

 

Sabrina

I’m not! I just cover! Most mothers need a space. So we decided to push for spaces in all the main buildings. OK, and the most important was the government keeps talking about doing this for the community. “Community must do this”. “Community must do that”. But in their own offices, there’s no space for mothers to store their breast milk and take it home for their babies because you are working mothers, you can’t bring your child to the office.

 

Sabrina

So we were like, how come you don’t have it? You tell us to behave in this manner, but you do not create that space for us, you see. So we were the first to push for that. And I think till today, contracts that the main office in Penang for government offices is not the only government space that has something like this for mothers. So when that happened and we all that is all we did do all over Southeast Asia, we are all mothers doing together at the same time to rest their babies.

 

Sabrina

But it was hard to cope with the times schedules, the different times. So we ended up doing just for Malaysia at first, and then we moved to other countries, but went back to being just Malaysia. Hospitals all over Malaysia, sometimes they call us and ask us, are you doing this year? You know, they keep calling us. So they would us moms, “Are you all doing World Breastfeeding Week? One minute simultaneous breastfeeding?”.

 

Sabrina

So I think that really helped to create awareness. And we would get mothers calling us. We still have, you know, peer support. We get calls, phone calls because our numbers were already given to the mothers. So, yes, this whole the whole reason why I went for it was because I wanted… Babies can’t speak! They can’t tell you, you know, I want you, Mommy. They can only do that by crying. And mothers today keep thinking, why is my baby crying?

 

Sabrina

She needs me. That’s not the real issue. Baby just wants one. Your love, your connection with you, you know, and she’s been in your stomach or he’s been in your stomach in a cozy place. And when they come out, it’s just a wide world, you know. So what do they need? They need the love, the coziness, the cuddles, the hugs, the warmth. And this can be from anyone, not just you as a mother.

 

Sabrina

It can be an auntie who is like that. And my girls are blessed to have an auntie like that, you know? So she I mean, just the cuddles, the warmth, even a father’s hug. That’s it. And that’s why I’m worried about the pandemic, you know, that you can’t hug people

 

Anu Vittal

So true and that’s so important. I’m glad you brought up the pandemic. I also I’m glad that you brought up the fact that we are so connected with people before the pandemic.

 

Anu Vittal

And also physical touch was such a necessary thing and it was so common for all of us to be able to hug in different cultures in different ways. One thing that I’ve realized that the inner child within us never really dies. Like, you know, you talk about the little babies. But the fact is there’s a little child living in all of us all of the time. So tell me, because you do so much work and in the Happy Cafe, that’s exactly what we want to do.

 

Anu Vittal

We want people like you to help us guide, connect virtual cuddling with people around the world. So tell us a little bit more about what can people do in a situation like this to become apparent to their own inner child? And how can they have their child and kiss that child and show itself love and tell a child it’s all going to be OK? What would you recommend?

 

Sabrina

I’d recommend that you look at your… The light in you. We all have it and start expanding it. Start releasing the layers around it. You know, it’s nothing to be afraid of. We are afraid of our own self. Most of the time, we are afraid of our own selves, our own power to wield that, you know, to be vulnerable. It’s scary, especially if you are alone. It’s scary to show your vulnerability, you know, because when you reveal your life, you’re revealing who you truly, truly are.

 

Sabrina

When you peel away the layers and you start revealing for you, too, you can feel afraid of it or you can feel empowered by it. For me, it is empowering. For me what it felt like. Why am I carrying all these layers? What’s the point of it? You know, so when I release these layers, I feel wonderful about who I am. I feel so connected to the Source. It’s like being on a drug, to be honest, you know.

 

Anu Vittal

How do you release these layers? How do you release them?

 

Sabrina

How do you release the layers? In my case, I found Reiki and we learned, “Just for today, do not be angry”. “Just for today, do not worry”. It’s a very simple thing to say to yourself. It’s just for one day you think about it and then you repeat this: “Just for today, do not be angry. Just for today, do not worry. Just for the day, be honest and diligent in your work. Just for today, have compassion and kindness towards others as well as for yourself”.

 

Anu Vittal

And these affirmations and these affirmations are present affirmations or affirmations that we can create for ourselves or hope to muster enough or help.

 

Sabrina

These precepts were created by Usui. Grand Master Mikao Usui. And so when you learn your Reiki, the first level, this is part of the principles of Reiki and you repeat it every day, if you are serious about practicing, you will repeat this every morning and do your healing for yourself. But you know, when you want to release your layers, it’s a lot of work. First thing is to become aware. You need self awareness.

 

Sabrina

If you are not aware, you will never look at yourself and say, I’m making mistakes out here. It’s not taking me anywhere. I need to release all these all things so that new things can come in. It’s like you go to a cupboard and you throw away old clothes. You find new clothes coming in quite quickly. You don’t realize. But that’s what happens. You know, you don’t realize when you go away.

 

Anu Vittal

When you let go of old relationships or the people are not disturbing you anymore, I would have bad. But someone’s not serving your purpose and you don’t feel aligned and you let go of them. Somebody new comes into the same place. In the same fold.

 

Sabrina

Yes.

 

Anu Vittal

So when you me like when you started this risky journey, did you know what you wanted to do or were you looking and gave in to your flow of the universe or to your path?

 

Sabrina

I would say Reiki came into my path because I was going through bad back aches and I was struggling. I was not a very happy person at that moment in my life because I wasn’t doing what I wanted to do. And I felt like things are not not quite how I imagined it would turn out to be. And I was going in completely different directions and I was lost. And I think it showed on my on my physical quality of life. So I had a lot of back problems.

 

Sabrina

And I was walking in the park thinking, oh, dear God, what’s going on with this? Show me something. You know, all of us have those moments in life. Where you, like, completely lost. You’re not doing what you want, totally unhappy. And it’s not like everything is not. If you have everything, you have a roof, you have all the basics. So why am I unhappy? You know? So when I was going through that phase, I would go to the park because Penang is full of beautiful parks and walking in the park, I saw this amazing lady doing Reiki, doing Qigong actually.

 

Sabrina

But she looked so good, you know, so full of light. And I just went towards the group and I asked, what do you guys, you know, what are you all doing? Can I join? And then they explained what they were doing and introduced me to the master who was guiding the group and her name is Sifu Mei Li, Sifu is master. So, I spoke to Madam Mei Li at that time, and she she asked me to come over for a healing.

 

Sabrina

And I told her, you know, just standing next to you feel so good. I hope I can do that one day for some other people, you know? And she explained, this is Reiki and Qigong, you know, so she taught me Reiki. Once when I did the healing with her, I started seeing things, colors, and I was like, wow, I feel so good. Oh, this is amazing. And she said, I think you’re a healer.

 

Sabrina

What have you been doing? What are you doing? What is your profession? I told her I’m an anthropologist. And she said, no, you’re actually a healer because of my response to her, the way I responded to her. So I told her I don’t know what I’ve done to be a healer. Then she asked me a little bit about my family and I realized I’ve been taking care of my sister through her treatments. And whenever anybody falls ill, I’m right there.

 

Sabrina

I’m willing to help out. And I realize I’ve been kind of like a nurse in a way. And I therefore could feel, so I’ve spent a lot of time in hospitals, twelve years going around for my sister or my mother and father when they felt ill. I realized that I would… Yes. And I would just sit with somebody and to chat with them and then they feel good, OK, you know, or they’d be so worried about their own family members and they’d talk to me and I’d give them a hug or something and they’re OK.

 

Sabrina

So I told my master, I said, yeah, I think I did it without realizing it, you know? So she brought out the best in me. So it’s good to have a teacher who sees that quality in you and brings it out of you. And I have a really good teacher, so I’m grateful to her. Yeah, that’s how my journey started.

 

Anu Vittal

Lovely. That’s beautiful. And how did you get into a NLP? Because neurolinguistic programming is quite an interesting tool that people can use. And really I found that… I haven’t studied it, but I found people who have gone to help me. There’s been a pretty dynamic shift that happens. That is pretty, pretty quick in this way of healing in a pretty instantaneous almost one hour that people do exercises. And within ten minutes I’m already feeling quite different because it takes you away from time and space.

 

Anu Vittal

Am I correct? Or to put you in a different way?

 

Sabrina

Yes. You get closer to what you want to do with your future. It really helps you with the manifesting part, you know. Although people… I don’t know… I find more and more people are looking at quantum physics, quantum jumps and quantum thinking, more and more going towards that and healthy definitely goes into that kind of thinking. Can you hear me? OK. So what I found with… When I was doing, Reiki, I always found people wanting to talk after that.

 

Sabrina

They would sit and then they start. Either they cry or they’ll start talking about things that and they would end with saying, “I never thought I’d speak about that to you”. And I felt I needed to do something more to help them because they seem very stuck in a past that is over but is still hurting them. They’ve not been able to let it go. And with Reiki, they seem good with me and I send them distant healing as well.

 

Sabrina

Usually my session would be an hour of Reiki healing, but now I also do distance healing and then I would do a lot of distance healing for the person and I would follow up and ask them, how are you doing? And it’s usually they need to talk as well. So I felt I needed something to help push them forward a little bit more. And I found NLP and I found the best teacher, Daniel Tolson, and he is an amazing teacher.

 

Sabrina

He and his wife are amazing. So, again, I would say if you have a good teacher, you can really do well. So with NLP, what happened was, like you said, it pushes you fast. You know, it’s a quick fix. And I found it doing really well for myself. I myself started to move very fast with it. And so I said, OK, now I can use it for people. So now when I do a healing session, I find, OK, I know exactly what that person needs and I know which tool to use in NLP.

 

Sabrina

And it’s amazing. I’ve been able to help my friend with her PhD, her achieving her goal of one by one, you know, and every time I do for her, I noticed she’s glowing and she’s getting better and better at what she wants to do. And I’ve been doing for others as well. You know, just to shift from negative to a positive thought. Just that small shift. It just brings a glow to people.

 

Sabrina

And I love seeing that, you know, “what was I doing all this while!”… that kind of look. And I’m like, wow, this is amazing. It’s just the human mind are so powerful we don’t realize it. All you have to do is to think of a positive outcome instead of staying stuck in the past. Eighty five percent of your motivation is from your future, only fifteen is from your past.

 

Anu Vittal

What about what about the now? What about the now? You said the past is 15 and the future is the rest, because then when you look at Eckhart Tolle, he always says everything you have to experience in the now, the past you’re experiencing in the now, which is where you have your fears, the future is also in the now, which makes you worry and think what’s going to happen and so on and so forth. But fact is, neither of them exists.

 

Anu Vittal

The only thing that exists is this very moment, and that is the only thing that. So why can’t you be happy when you know that the last moment didn’t doesn’t exist and the moment that’s going to come also doesn’t exist. How do you what is your opinion on that and how do you see that?

 

Sabrina

I see right now as contributing to my future. So what I do now matters to what happens in the next minute. So what I do now, what I think now… If I think something beautiful and good now what I’m going to get in the next minute is also going to be something beautiful and good, right.

 

Anu Vittal

It’s like eating a big doughnut or a cake and then expecting to be thin afterwards is not going to work. Just joking. Just means you mind if I. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you do now in the gallery on your website,

 

Sabrina

Even if you enjoy that minute of eating the cake, it’s still good. Right. So it’s a little bit of a small night. OK, good. Do I need another.

 

Anu Vittal

That’s that’s way that’s the question.

 

Sabrina

You know, my dad used to often say to me, Sabrina, the choices you make dictates the life you lead. So the choices you make now is going to dictate your next few minutes. So you have to decide, do I want to eat a chocolate cake that isn’t… You can make wonderful Keito chocolate cakes now or whatever healthy chocolate cakes you want to eat. Just make it a healthy one. That’s it. There’s nothing wrong in having joy in your life.

 

Sabrina

There’s nothing wrong with eating things that you really like. You must enjoy what you eat, otherwise you’re going to feel different. Don’t leave, right?

 

Anu Vittal

Absolutely. So how do you deal with your past, especially people who’ve gone through a painful past or in this pandemic? You know, people have suffered a lot of loss. What would be one quick technique that you would give them or affirmation? What would that be that they can use?

 

Sabrina

OK, I, I like to use this one. Just, you know, mine is always about Reiki for me, but there’s another one that’s also easy for children as well. You know. “I believe something wonderful is going to happen to me today”. This was taught by my coach as well. Daniel. When I started using this, I was like, my antenna is always looking for wonderful things.

 

Anu Vittal

I believe something wonderful is going to happen to me today, even though the past is worrying me, even though the past is haunting me, I should keep saying this.

 

Sabrina

OK, if your past is haunting you, then you have to bless your past and look at the lessons that it has given you and stay with the lessons. OK, so this is one technique I would like to share with everybody is just imagine yourself now here your past is created something for you that is brought to you to here to now.

 

Anu Vittal

But it is something that has also taught you lessons. Yes, there are negative terms about it, but at least one thing will come out of it that is positive, that is building you up for something beautiful, something better. OK, so let go of

 

Anu Vittal

Can you give us an example?

 

Sabrina

Very hard to let go. So I’m going to… OK, what example can I give you… Say there’s something, a relationship that has hurt you very badly, whether it be an ex partner, whether it be a family member or a friend, it can be a friend who has betrayed you. Someone who’s hurt you deeply or someone who has just left you. The pandemic has caused us a lot of issues. So some families have broken up because of staying together too long or getting on each other’s nerves or you’re constantly bringing up the past.

 

Sabrina

OK, so here’s something you can do. Very simple. Always think of it as something that has taught you a good lesson without ever having to say he was bad, he was wrong, she was bad, she was wrong. I am right. You know. Their perspective would probably be different about you. So they would probably say, oh, no, she was wrong. This would just go on and on in cycles. So what do you do best is to say, OK, what did I learn from that?

 

Sabrina

What did I learn? What was a positive thing? Instead of saying I would not complain or I appreciate myself for what I’ve been through. I appreciate myself.

 

Anu Vittal

I appreciate the media. Can you say thank you to my school teacher? But they have taught me one not to be. The first lesson we learn is how not to be not bad or difficult or whatever the situation might have been.

 

Sabrina

What use a positive one instead of saying, like, I will be like that, we could use a positive one. I will be I will be appreciated.

 

Anu Vittal

I will be more compassionate.

 

Sabrina

I, I am compassionate. If you give your brain just very simple ones, I am compassionate. You can even leave out. I am. And just use the word compassionate. Just repeat compassion.

 

Anu Vittal

And you can you can, you can say thank you. But that’s a hard one because it’s hard for you to believe it. Yes. You need to be able to use the feeling and the thought. So if you are genuine to say you genuinely, if you’re not able to say it, it doesn’t matter. Just say I appreciate your subconscious brain needs very, very small sentences, simple, small, short sentences. OK, so if you keep that in mind, then you can make much more progress then if you use very long sentences.

 

Anu Vittal

OK, so that is hurting. You use a very positive sentence and make it short so that it’s easy for your subconscious to retain and to keep. OK, so I love it. That’s a yeah. The love is to Emet. Yes, you’re welcome. But the other one is to imagine your situation turning into something positive instead of something to be afraid of. OK, just look 15 minutes into your future and see something negative becoming positive and bring that feeling of positivity, that feeling of wow, you know, this is great.

 

Anu Vittal

Bring it to you now and everything will be solved. You will only be looking for the things that are good. You actually creating antennas that are looking for something that’s good.

 

Anu Vittal

This actually reminds me of my dad because he would always say to us everything that happens happens for the best. And we couldn’t figure it out for the longest time. But I think you’re absolutely right. What kind of friend was mom works for the railways and they were going for a wedding. So it was a mom and dad and three kids. And then one of them got up late. And so the by the time we reached the railway station, the train left, which was rather strange because in the trains, being on time is in itself a strange phenomenon.

 

Anu Vittal

But it was on time and they missed the train and they were going for a wedding. So obviously everybody was upset. And, you know, they came back home and her mom was working for the railways. So she was quickly able to change the tickets and, you know, with minimal expense. But a few hours later, that same train had a bomb blast and they were so very grateful that they were not on that train. So we think sometimes is negative.

 

Anu Vittal

That’s happened in the past eventually proves that, you know, it wasn’t, you know, a good thing for you or put a. Been a bad thing and wasn’t part of your fate or whatever people call it, or the plan of the universe, the master plan. And I remember seeing that movie, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. It’s a Gwyneth Paltrow movie called Sliding Doors. And it’s a British movie. It’s a beautiful movie. And it talks about a scene.

 

Anu Vittal

Where does Gwyneth Paltrow that she’s jumping into the train, the subway, and then the doors shut and then there’s a man trying to reach out to her and how he’s not able to communicate and then how the story rolls forward and how they fall in love. And then it also shows that before the doors slammed shut, it talks about how fast it talks about the moment when the doors slammed shut now and then it talks about the future. So I thought that was if I had to watch it a few times to really get it.

 

Anu Vittal

And life is like that, great things happen in that moment. We don’t realize why war and so on. But we also have a lot of trepidation and fear of the future, especially in a time like this. Now that we’ve talked about the past, what would be some of your recommendations or helpful tips for not fearing the future or worrying about getting thrown out or losing someone? What would you say that we can do? OK.

 

Sabrina

This is to really appreciate you are now one of the most important thing is to really appreciate it now and to know that you can create good moments in your life, appreciate the people around you, give more appreciation, give more praise. It’s not hard to do that. It’s not hard to look at your garden and say it’s beautiful and green or if it’s snowing in your part of the world to actually appreciate the beauty of snow, to appreciate more, you know, to start with just simple things.

 

Sabrina

I have beautiful nails. Yeah, that looks good to be happy with the cigarette in my body.

 

Anu Vittal

Everything. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Sabrina

Everything I can see, I can see there’s people who can’t see but then they appreciate what they can hear. So to always keep appreciating that’s the best way when that’s when the chlorophyll comes in. What do you do. What do you what do you say to yourself. I mean sometimes you’ll forget what is the thing, the ankle that draws you back. Will it be your breath? What do you use? Do you use, do you use when you’re practicing, especially when you’re practicing?

 

Sabrina

Hmm. I, I work a lot on myself, on my own life. I keep building myself up there. I keep creating more of of energies that are good for me. I look into every morning, this is my practice, you know, I get depressed. OK, I appreciate the breadth. And I, I just I just, I’m just and you know, I just am. And that’s the beauty of being alive. Just I’m just and I don’t think too much a lot of things.

 

Sabrina

I don’t see myself with too many words. I just love being as I am, you know. And I would say it’s like a drug because you keep connecting with the universe. That’s what it’s it’s just a blissful feeling, you know, if you want to look at feeling, but just being is important. So when I go about my day, I’m not so afraid anymore. I’m busy creating things for my future already. So I’m so involved in doing things about what I’m going to have now that it’s moving towards my future.

 

Sabrina

Each each step I’m doing is moving towards my future. So I’m not worried. Instead, I’m I’m so engaged and doing things I know it’s going to succeed, you know, so I don’t have the fear anymore. I mean, long back and I had some fears. I’m not going to achieve my I’m not going to fulfill myself. I would I’m not going to be able to do this and that. But once I learn to cross that, to appreciate now and to appreciate my husband, my children, the small space I live in and making it beautiful for myself, when you have that, appreciate your perspective.

 

Sabrina

Things change rapidly. They change you. They change you. For now, my goal is one of your painting, not a bank. As long as you know that that is inspiring. I like what you’re seeing. So who do you. Say that you’re always awakened to the present moment, you’re awakened to the presence of the essence of your soul.

 

Sabrina

Always, I think so. I think you don’t. You do have a few hiccups where you go suddenly, like, I don’t like this. And then you go back like a Sabrina wake up woman.

 

Anu Vittal

So how do you tell yourself that that’s where we forget you want an MLP practitioner. So how did what did you tell yourself in the beginning? How do we stop ourselves from going that spiraling path of negativity or anger?

 

Sabrina

Appreciate the anger out for me when I’m angry, actually. OK, when I do get angry, it’s usually I haven’t cleaned up the house. I’m so busy doing other things. I forgot to clean up my house. I’m like, oh, I know this is going to take so much time, but it’s only 15 minutes. It’s only 15 minutes. So I, I put music or I listen to something that’s played or I will nag everybody around me and say, guys, get everything organized, clean up, clean up.

 

Sabrina

So then everybody’s doing together. It finishes first and then we all have a good laugh and then they make me my little girls, what Obama is doing this and Mama is doing that. But it becomes laughter. You you turn it into something funny, you turn it into something funny. And when your family members are tense because you are living in a tense situation, it’s not easy. It’s a locked down. And in Malaysia, we’ve been in lockdown for two months now.

 

Sabrina

We’ve hardly gone out. We’ve always been in the house. So you can feel the tension and you may it may rise up. Be patient with your family. Just be patient with them. You know, they’ll be patient before the almost your daughter’s dead. Because when I die because of my Rakhi and they feel like when I do for them the Rakhi, they feel good, they feel relaxed or they come up like, where did the plane go?

 

Sabrina

It disappeared, you know. So that’s why they call me back. Yeah. I have a lot of love to laugh. You know, don’t forget to laugh. You can make jokes out of silly things and you have such a good laugh that is such a good release. You know, make fun of yourself in a good way, you know? Yeah. It’s very good for us.

 

Anu Vittal

Don’t you think this should be available to all schools and especially schools, hospitals or places where there’s a lot of stress? In this case? I would say even police stations where the people are out there taking such good care of us and we realize that we people are worshiping movie stars and the actual heroes are the people in the hospitals and the police that have really gone out of their way to support us and help us in spite of having to face the challenges and difficulties.

 

Anu Vittal

What’s your opinion on that?

 

Sabrina

Yes, here in Malaysia, there are efforts going on and even comedians have been helping out in Malaysia called white flight movement. So if a family is in distress, they can put a white flag out and they would help them with food and just giving them their time. Many of those just one and only.

 

Anu Vittal

What about treatments that sold their soul and then mind I who this is my plan for the future, but I don’t know if they will accept it now because of the current situation. But my plan is to have Reiki for Reiki and and help people who are going through treatments, because I believe 80 to 85 percent is psychosomatic. So if we can go to people have a very different perspective to themselves and to their lives, it’s actually quite easy to do.

 

Anu Vittal

But everyone thinks it’s hard. It’s hard because you stay inside it. It’s hard because sometimes you are hooked to it or addicted to that kind of thinking and you feel like it becomes a part of you. So to let it go is also a fear. You know, did you know that people find it hard to let go of something that is so you do feel maybe feeling of being a victim. They like being the victim. They don’t realize they like it or they want to hold onto the.

 

Anu Vittal

It’s the ego that wants to hold onto the pain body, the victim mentality, when in reality that all of.

 

Sabrina

Yeah, but it’s I wouldn’t say it’s her fault or his fault for wanting to hold on to it because they do what they’re not aware of it. Once they become aware, then there is a possibility of change coming in. So I believe awareness is very important. You know, I agree with you when I when I see people who are stuck like that, I, I understand I, I don’t treat them with anger or anything. I just. OK, I understand you like that.

 

Sabrina

I know what you’re going through. You know, I tried to treat them the best way possible. Yeah.

 

Anu Vittal

What would you want to have done today in Lebanon. Malaysia. Simply because was my dream before the pandemic, but because of the situation of not being able to have a physical space and not being allowed to really connect in a physical space. We really showed the idea. But the concept was to be able to open in Toronto, New York, London, Miami, Singapore. We never thought of benign, but now we think of benign, but really to be able to reach out to the world and, you know, people go to a bar to have a drink and that’s fine.

 

Anu Vittal

But we call this a healing bar, a spa for the soul, a place where you can go and find treatments like Reiki and L.P meditation. You don’t even one of the most basic breathing techniques sound healing. You know, I myself am hypnotherapist. And I found so many benefits to just having a short 30 minute hypnotherapy session so people can pick things off the menu and use it to really heal themselves, because then they’re not just treating the symptom, but they’re actually treating the root cause of death.

 

Anu Vittal

Exactly. So I hope that you can be a part of this journey with me. And as we wrap up, I want to ask you three final questions. So the first question is, what would be happiness for you in one sentence? What is the meaning of happiness?

 

Sabrina

Love, lots of love.

 

Anu Vittal

Having you all for me and for others was beautiful.

 

Sabrina

Yeah. For me, that’s happiness. Yes, giving and giving and receiving. If you give, you’re going to receive it. Definitely.

 

Anu Vittal

Absolutely. And my second question is, what would be your next project? And the people who are listening want to reach out to you? What would be the best place where they can reach out to you?

 

Sabrina

We have a website. I have a website built by my husband. So that’s why I say you can come you can just reach out to me. Just tap my name, Sabrina. So the rods in your Google or look for Sabrina’s healing space and you’ll find me. You can talk to me just freely and then decide whether you want what what kind of treatment you’d like to go for. And most of all, I would be there for you. Just, you know, just to get just to get you going in the first few ways of just being happy with yourself or finding a goal, I help you find your goal.

 

Sabrina

This is something I actually do for a lot of people. When they come to me, they’re unhappy and they don’t know what they’re looking for. They’re not sure of their goals. They don’t show what they are ultimately wanting to do with themselves. So when I help you achieve that, then you know what to do with yourself. Most of us are going through life without knowing where we are going, just going on doing something. We don’t know exactly where where we are placed.

 

Sabrina

So I help you find that space and I help you to develop your health goals as well, you know, as your personal goals, your health goals and your business goals. So these are things I help you with so you can find me anywhere.

 

Anu Vittal

I want Instagram and Facebook.

 

Sabrina

I’m on Instagram and I’m on Facebook, as Sabrina said there. And we’re developing one for my Reiki healing Reiki. Sabrina is another one that we’re developing. So I’m actually new in business because I’ve been doing volunteer for over seven years. I’ve been doing healing for people. Voluntarily, only last year, my my master told me it’s time for me to start charging. So I have commercialized only recently and so I’m a little bit, you know, in the midst of building it.

 

Sabrina

So, yeah, that’s great.

 

Anu Vittal

Thank you so much, Sabrina. It’s an honor and a pleasure to have you. I can’t thank you enough. And I know you are sending some positive blessings to all of us in the universe and we are very honored and grateful. Thank you. Thank you for being excited about the opportunity.

 

Sabrina

Thank you. I’m happy to be part of it as well. Really. Thank you for the opportunity. I realize and be a great, great success. And even if there is a pandemic right now, let’s start building it. Let’s not now let’s take every single step towards making a because they happen all over the world. And I wish happiness to all the people around the world. Yes. A lot of happiness and joy. Just love yourself and give love.

 

Sabrina

You get love.

 

Anu Vittal

Thank you, Sabrina, for those beautiful words of wisdom. And I’m sure that everyone was listening and watching on TV is so excited for all of that. They have learned from you today and they will definitely reach out to Sabrina and Raj for healing, for Reiki and for happiness. Thanks to you from Happy Kessy.

 

Sabrina

Thank you. Thank you. Anu.